as brought by ITO* That was that, while Russia would be the prime object of this pact the other countries, while remaining secondary, would enter into the matter only if they had gone Communistic* In other words, for example, if Japan were to go to war with England, say, this pact would become ef¬fective only if England had also gone Communistic* "Q. General, will you clarify what you mean by other countries - do you mean any other country? nA* I say other countries, because before this pact was drawn up fully in regard to specific nations other than Russia, negotiations ceased* To explain more fully, while there was the intention to go into the matter of specific nations fully at a later date, before we got around to it negotiations were broken off*N "Q* Actually, Germany had in mind the entire world, did they not? "A* Yes, that is true, although Germany also agreed to delete the Americas in the first statement in the preamble* "Q* But when the conversations took place between you as representative of the Japanese Government and the German representatives in the very beginning the conversation then pointed to a pact that would be against the entire world, and subsequently these deletions of nations were made?