nQ. What was the reason for stopping three or four days in Italy to talk with SHIRATORI when imme¬diately upon the arrival of the Commission in Berlin they had SHIRATORI come up to Berlin to talk about it. Why could not this all have "been done in one place? "A. I believe he wished to hear further details, as the ITO Commission had only spent three or four days in Italy on the first meeting. MQ. General, as a matter of fact this Commission called on SHIRATORI for the same purpose as they called on you, to make it clear to both SHIRATORI and to you exactly what the Japanese Government in Tokyo . would. do; how far they would go or not go, is that not true? "A. That is correct. I intended to speak to you a little more on this point and if you will permit me to con¬tinue my narrative, it will come out, but perhaps you would wish me to tell you about this particular matter now. "Q. I was about to suggest that you proceed with your narrative from the point at which we left off at the last meeting, but I think it would be helpful if you would make such comments now with respect to this particular matter just referred to, as you care to make. "A. As you asked me the other day what the ITO Commission had come for I thought it over and tried to recollect