"Q. So that actually the Ambassadors in Italy and Germany from Japan were more enthusiastic for the views that had been advanced by RIBBENTROP, because you had been working along that line all this time? MA. I would not say it was any specific individual's ideas, as up to that time we had been working on the premise that the pact was to be concluded naming Russia as the principal object and other countries as secondary, and details were to be left until later. "Q. So that then when your Government in Japan changed its position they sent the ITO Commission over to make it clear to SHIRATORI and to yourself of this changed position so that you would not go too far in your suggestions to RIBBENTROP and to MUSSOLINI, is not that correct? "A. I would not say that they were sent so as to be a check on us, for up until this time we had been working as the Government desired - that is to say on this point of naming Russia as the principal object and the other countries as secondary* It is only later, as I told you, through rumor that I heard that the real reason the ITO Commission came was to make clear the change of views of the Japanese Govern¬ment. 11Q* There was no rumor about the fact that the ITO cam- mission made it clear to you, General, and to SHIRATORI of the changed attitude of the Government in Tokyo? "A. The ITO Commission never stated that these were the