"Q. When did you first become acquainted with RIBBENTROP? WA* In 1935, for the first time. ♦ * * "Q. What was the occasion for these numerous meetings with RIBBENTROP in 1936? MA* In 1936 we concluded the Anti-Comintern Pact, which was finally signed by Ambassador MUSHAKOJI, but I had a good many talks on matters proceeding the final settlement* * * ♦ nQ. Bad you ever discussed with Mr* HACK the subject matter of this proposed alliance against Russia with Germany? _ MA* Yes, I had discussed with him, and in this regard, if you desire, I shall tell you of the events leading up to this pact in detail • • • I shall tell you all I know about this pact, including secret matters pertaining to it* To start with it was in the spring of 1935» In May or June, I believe, that BACK came to me and said the following was RIBBENTROP1 s own idea and had nothing to do with the policy of the German government, but would there not be a possibility of some sort of defensive alliance against Russia between Germany and Japan. In this regard they knew that the Japanese Army had penetrated into Manchuria and