in September or October 1938 agreed to furnish each other with intelligence about the Russian military* This resulted in the undertaking of long range projects aimed at the disintegration of Russia, the preliminary steps of which were the use of White Russians in propaganda and subversive activities in Russia, Afghanistan, and Rumania. Proof (a) Document 2157B. (Exhibit No. ), Interrogation of OSHIMA, Hiroshi, 4 February 1946, p. 32; "Q. You-have told us about the secret pact and I think you have described it pretty well to us - that was signed between Japan and Germany at the time the Anti-Comintern Pact was entered into. Now, I am wondering if there were any other secret under¬standings you have not told us about that were entered into between Japan and Germany at or about the same time. MA. Not as treaties, but on this point I would like to tell you some things and if you have any specific questions, please interject them. In 1936, as I stated, the secret pact and the Anti-Comintern Pact were consummated. Following this, while there were no secret pacts in 1937, the German Army and the Japanese Army agreed to furnish each other with, ln- telligence about the Russian military. In this regard it was decided to intensify the use of White Russians who had already been used quite a bit and had been con¬tacted in such spots as Warsaw and Paris. There was no written agreement about this - I believe it was in September or October 1938 - that these discussions