simply decided to give them money and procure this information. We were using a Russian from the Caucasus by the name of Barnard (?) as one of the main sources of information. "Q. I take it then that these activities were conducted out of your office in Berlin? MA. Yes, except that USUI because he was doing work of this sort, while under me, operated independently. "Q. He operated under your supervision, did he not? "A. Yes. However, his job was to gather intelligence only and to communicate with the Russian Division of General Staff. "Q. Those communications would also go through you as the Military Attache? "A. They would go through my office. * * * WQ. Did you hold any property in Germany? "A. No. WQ. Did you ever have a house or piece of real estate in Falkensee? WA. I understand now what you are talking about. In order to carry on Anti-Soviet propaganda, at one time I negotiated for the purchase of a place where this work could be carried on. This place was not in my name, I believef However, we did have it. "Q. While this property was not in your own name, did you personally own it?